@ CosmicConnie:
Abe-Hicks have a rather large multimilliondollar business going, with many followers. Even though Mrs Hicks is a horrible actress when she fakes going into a Abe-Trance, the Abe-Hicks couple ain't stupid.
So of course they are not going to risk their own necks openly for James Ray, as James Ray might get convicted. Abe doesn't want to get tarred with James Ray, just like all the other LGAT Gurus.
The quote on Twitter came up, from some type of private audio link for Abe-Hicks followers. So someone would have to track that down, and transcribe it.
the quote was...
@lizmarshall "Abraham does not condone punishing/tarring of @JamesARay" [
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Abraham-Hicks don't condone the punishing of James Ray, according to Liz Marshall.
And you can bet if Mrs Hicks was challenged, she would say the "she" has no opinion by Abe is the one doing the talking, and he is from another dimension.
There was not really any over-reaching in this thread, as those other Twitters about Abe-Hicks were also in the thread.
There was some speculation, as why Abe-Hicks would say anything at all, and some ideas on that. Self-interest, blaming the victims.
There has to be some speculation at times when dealing with these complex issues. The classic technical Skeptical or pure journalistic approach is woefully insufficient.
The Carl Sagan Baloney detection kit is fantastic, but its not enough when dealing with willful organized aggressive planned deception, where the information is actively concealed, and someone is under high-pressure. That is an LGAT seminar.
Abe-Hicks and James Ray are NEVER going to come clean with the total facts, even the authorities are after the James Ray group for removing documents.
So yes, one has to take incomplete data at times, the best one can gather quite rapidly, and make a strong judgement. (not absolute, but provisionary).
And in terms of the depths of these LGAT sects, its also important to use strong language and EMOTION to counteract that programming in one's mind.
Purely "rational" analysis is not enough. Simple fact-gathering is not enough.
Too much is actively concealed, and there is too much deception from the perps.
Look at Byron Katie, its literally impossible to gather many hard facts about her, because she deliberately purged her Story of facts! The main facts have come from former members, and from previous books that were bought back and personally destroyed by her husband Stephen Mitchell.
So just for clarity, yes, there has to be some intelligent speculation at times, and some judgements need to be made without being able to access all the facts, as they are concealed, and will always be concealed. (even a court won't get at many of them with a process lasting years and costing millions).
Also, one needs to deliberately use powerful emotion to strongly dispute the lies and fabrications of programming from these sects and cults, to cut through the fog of lies and distortion. And one also needs to work quickly and think on their feet.
Those are some of the ways to counteract the powerful persuasion tactics being used by the LGAT groups and sects.
As shown in the beginning of this thread, knowing the tactics and techniques of James Ray, allowed him to be identified as dangerous years before anyone died, on the moment he was on the Oprah show. Many of these cons can be identified in minutes, if one has the training.
As far as the white collar crime from LGAT Gurus...oh man. Where else you gonna send them?
The ONLY thing somewhat stopping some of the white collar crook LGAT Gurus is the fear of JAIL. That they understand. They get it.
Stealing hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars through fraud is very violent. It ruins peoples lives, there are suicides.
Probably only 1 in 1000 of those guy get caught anyway, if there were more jail sentences, then it might cut back on what they do. Might.
The greed is too great.
They see the money to be taken, and they take it.
The big LGAT Gurus who are smart, there are some, actually hire experts to make sure everything stays just on the right side of the letter of the law. Only one reason they do that, they prefer living in their mansion and travelling, and not going to jail for fraud.
They understand POWER. Until you see them in action first hand, its hard to understand how they operate and think.
The fear of jail works extremely well on many of them. They get it.
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Cosmic Connie
However, there's one little point I am still trying to clarify. I would love to know for certain if Abe-Hicks are in fact actively doing anything on behalf of James Ray (which is what I thought some folks were implying here recently, and which I thought might have been over-reaching). Does anyone have exact quotations from "Abraham" about the James Ray matter -- e.g., something Esther would have said at that L.A. workshop that some tweeters mentioned? Is there a source where I can listen, view, or read transcripts myself without having to pay $ to Abe-Hicks? I saw the quotation from someone on Twitter who said Abraham does not condone "tarring" of James Ray... but that's really not the same as actively advocating for him, and, again, it was on this point that I expressed doubt.
When following the thread on Liz Marshall's Twitter page I came across a "life coach" named Christina Merk, who cited the Abraham comments at the L.A. workshop. Someone asked her, "so how does abraham feel about [James Ray's] wilful disregard for human life/depraved indifference?"...
Christina answered: "that is definitely part of the vibrational mix for sure ... as were beliefs/actions of the ppl who died too. big co-creation."
To another Tweeter, Christina wrote, "it was all a complex vibrational co-creation. a vibrational match in different ways for different reasons."
(These exchanges took place on March 5 of this year.)
So I get that some Abe-Hicks *fans* are doing the deflection thing, either by paraphrasing Esther/Abe or putting their own spin on the matter, but I would love to get quotations straight from the con artist's/artists' mouth(s). In fact, the standard Abe-Hicks line seems to be that everything, good or bad, that happens to a person happens b/c that person's vibrations are in tune with the event. But again, that doesn't seem to be singling James Ray out; it's just the usual Abe-Hicks rationale. As the Holocaust went, so goes the Death Lodge. It's all the same to Jerry, Esther and Abe.
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As for jail, I simply don't know if our prison system as it now exists is the best solution for non-violent/white-collar criminals, even notorious serial scammers. They're just burdens on the taxpayers that way, and when they are locked up there's little to no hope of their making money to pay restitution to their victims. Yet I also realize that more often than not there's no way to make sure they pay restitution to victims anyway, since, as has been discussed here and elsewhere, so many of the scammers hide their assets in so many devious ways. I really don't know what the answer is. As with so many other things, I'm still thinking about it.