On the Droid website there appears to be yet another NLP war brewing...the kind that makes your eyes glaze over and your head start nodding yes as you read the words and sign the contract for advanced seminar training now, as time is running out and there is only one space left...
Generic "NLP" went out of vogue many years ago, and has a terrible reputation both technically and in terms of business practices with people getting ripped off. SkepDic lists NLP as being an LGAT [
www.skepdic.com] and in fact many NLP seminars were/are done with all sorts of LGAT techniques used in the trainings.
There are people running around calling themselves NLP Master Practitioners, for example, when they appear to have no actual NLP training at all, and all they do is scam people with bullshit.
Some of the old school NLPers have just relabeled what they do, and now call it something else.
But some of the old war horses that have been around for ages, still call what they do "NLP", and try to be protective of it, as that is their bread and butter.
And of course many of these "NLPers" sell the old school content of generic "NLP", but in fact do all sorts of advanced persuasion on people at the same time as a meta-process people are not aware of. In that case, the NLP content is no different than Non-Dual, New Age Secrets, Quantum Mind Physics, or any other "content" being oversold for huge profits.
One thing that is very fascinating about the remaining NLPers who are still out there, is how they do media propaganda for NLP. A recent example of this explored in this very forum is Stever Robbins.
Stever Robbins NLP Innoculations [
forum.culteducation.com]
Here you have Byron Katie, who is doing much of the advanced hypno-persuasion material, as well as many other processes, and Stever Robbins says he is a close friend of Byron Katie. A guy like Stever can see EVERYTHING and every technique that Byron Katie is doing in precise detail.
But Stever Robbins and other NLP-persuaders have learned that its much more effective to make sales, if the actual processes are embedded within a New Agey content which absorbs and distracts the conscious mind. In that sense it becomes an 'art" as the technique is invisible. That is why Stever Robbins likes Byron Katie so much, her technique is invisible to most of the audience.
And when confronted with the persuasion techniques that are embedded beneath the content, they will go as far as to claim there is no such thing as NLP-based persuasion. (like when the mafia say there is no mafia)
In fact, the NLP based persuasion systems, are literally an entire industry in themselves, in which many of those who try to deny it exists are selling products!
(massive list of marketing keywords) [
forum.culteducation.com]
[NLP Hypnosis Influence Persuasion patterns torrents for reference] [
forum.culteducation.com]
There is an entire industry of NLP based seduction persuasion and hypnosis, but remember, none of this exists!
"The Game" "Pickup Artists" and "The Seduction Community" [
forum.culteducation.com]
So the former and current NLPers who use these kind of techniques for a LIVING to pay their bills, need to make sure they keep that information away from their target customers. As they know damn well, when the customer starts to learn these processes, they will NEVER buy another one of their products ever again, as they can see what they are trying to do, and the magic is dead.
Its like a magician, they need to keep the magic tricks secret, or there is no magic. And like professional magicians, they have a code where they will not reveal how to do magic tricks, or they will be blackballed.
Its really the same type of thing with the advanced covert persuaders. They won't talk about the techniques, not out of a code, but because its their business. Only very few will get into the nitty gritty techniques, and of course they are going to charge a lot of money for that information, and also fill it with misinformation.
In terms of public comments, the pattern they use is almost always identical. They try to simply say that NLP Hypnosis Influence Persuasion patterns either do not exist, or they get into parsing the history of NLP, and what "NLP" is or isn't. The amazing thing is that some of the more advanced practitioners can use that argument about NLP and persuasion, to actually do those techniques they are denying exist!
Its like if you ask a hypno-persuader if they are using hypnosis to persuade you...they will immediately scream there is no such thing as hypnosis, and get into that argument, and say they are de-hypnotizing people from their cultural trance, and literally start doing the conversational hypnosis techniques AS they are denying they exist. Yes, the best ones do that, often to amuse themselves.
So in reality, its really a big mess of spin-doctoring and mind-manipulations. It becomes a terrible fog of confusion, so how is the average person without training supposed to make sense out of it?
Bingo.
They have created confusion, which is the first step in the persuasion process, create confusion in the targets minds, then LEAD them out of the confusion while managing their perceptions and beliefs.
So frankly its a nightmare for the average person trying to make sense out of it, as there is so much dishonesty and mind manipulations going on, never mind mere "lying". Lying does not even scratch the surface of it.
But a clue is if the persuader starts to spew a mountain of conflicting and confusing statements, and you start to feel confused. Then you know they have started working on you.
As if they can make the target feel confused and overwhelmed, they can then start to pace and lead the person out of the fog of confusion, and to perceive the situation the way they want you to.
Its a nightmare. Perhaps the only real solution is draconian, and to not give any of them 1 dollar for anything, because that is mainly what they are after.
The exception to that, are the cultish groups which can use folks without money as "volunteers" and shills for them to recruit.
Its very difficult, which is why the sharks seem to be winning.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/04/2010 07:03AM by The Anticult.