Re: Cryonics, Cult Movement or Ligit Science???
Posted by:
richiekgb
()
Date: September 18, 2010 06:04AM
Solicitors Opinion Of Cryonics Institute Agreement Documents.
The documents can be found here: [www.cryonics.org]
One of the Fellas who drinks in my pub is a Solicitor and being as I cater for his office parties - he agreed to have a look through for us and give us his opinion. I did not tell him what they were for - simply that someone I know had signed them and we wanted a laymans terms explanation of what they all mean.
He took the printout and a being as he had a quiet friday afternoon - read through them and had this to say.
He said - Its "NONSENSICAL, I has some pretty crazy clients but this is one of the weirdestarrangements s I have seen" he actually thought I was having a joke on him and had made them myself!.
He added "This is probably Illeagal (In UK law) !, It as if two party's have made legal agreement to commit a illegal act and then made an agreement so they cannot sue each other, nor the familys involved as they have both agreed to be accomplices!" He also added " If one of his clients wanted to enter into a agreement like this he would have to advise them NOT to do so - simply because "if anyone broke the arrangement he would be unable to protect their interests as they have signed all of their rights away"
IT get's better - This fella normally charges a weeks wages an hour to do this stuff - but in exchange for a free advert on cryonics factsheet - He is going to do a more detailed analysis and take the time to give a summary of what he thinks is dodgy about it. this will be posted up soon on the aforementioned website. He is also willing to give (for lots of money of course ) Legal advice to any UK Cryoncists who have signed up and feel ripped off - Though he says money back is probably never going to happen due to the nature of the agreement.
Will let y'all know when its up.
The documents can be found here: [www.cryonics.org]
One of the Fellas who drinks in my pub is a Solicitor and being as I cater for his office parties - he agreed to have a look through for us and give us his opinion. I did not tell him what they were for - simply that someone I know had signed them and we wanted a laymans terms explanation of what they all mean.
He took the printout and a being as he had a quiet friday afternoon - read through them and had this to say.
He said - Its "NONSENSICAL, I has some pretty crazy clients but this is one of the weirdestarrangements s I have seen" he actually thought I was having a joke on him and had made them myself!.
He added "This is probably Illeagal (In UK law) !, It as if two party's have made legal agreement to commit a illegal act and then made an agreement so they cannot sue each other, nor the familys involved as they have both agreed to be accomplices!" He also added " If one of his clients wanted to enter into a agreement like this he would have to advise them NOT to do so - simply because "if anyone broke the arrangement he would be unable to protect their interests as they have signed all of their rights away"
IT get's better - This fella normally charges a weeks wages an hour to do this stuff - but in exchange for a free advert on cryonics factsheet - He is going to do a more detailed analysis and take the time to give a summary of what he thinks is dodgy about it. this will be posted up soon on the aforementioned website. He is also willing to give (for lots of money of course ) Legal advice to any UK Cryoncists who have signed up and feel ripped off - Though he says money back is probably never going to happen due to the nature of the agreement.
Will let y'all know when its up.
CRYONIC SUSPENSION scam scam scam scam scam scam scam scam
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: September 18, 2010 07:40AM
As other non-experts have been saying the same thing all along.
Scam!
The first part of the bogus cryonics "contract" says that everything is your fault, even though you are dead, and it was their fault! That no matter what happens, that the cryonics company is NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHNG, EVER!
Next comes the most important part. PAYMENT.
You pay them $35,000 in advance, and/or secure it, and give them all the papers.
They can jack-up the price anytime they feel like it.
You payments are NOT segregated, they go into general revenue for the company!
And they owe you no fiduciary responsibility. Which means again, they can do anything they want, or nothing.
They can cut pieces of your body off! Read the contract.
They BURY in the contract that you are granting them POWER OF ATTORNEY in clause (d). What an outrage!
It tries to ban an autopsy!
If any of these 100 things are not done they way they want, the CRYONICS CONTRACT is canceled on their whim.
They can bury or burn your corpse, AT YOUR OWN COST.
No guarantees of anything.
No promise that the cryonics contract is even legal.
You release the cryonics company from everything.
You let them sue you and your heirs, and you have to pay their costs, to sue you.
You can just go on and on for pages.
Its true, to a professional, the cryonics "contract" does read like a SATIRE of a crooked scam contract.
A person would have to be nuts to sign a "contract" like that.
Its a 100% one-sided scam contract. The cryonics company holds 100% of everything.
Actually they hold 100% of everything, and 100% of you as you are agreeing to pay their costs.
So they actually own 200% of everything.
Its a scam, a sham, all about extracting $35,000 for the base-rate to start, and then upselling to the other bogus cryonics services, moving into the $120,000 plans, and handing over entire Estates, and all the other cryonics scams they are trying to run.
Its the great cryonics swindle.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/18/2010 07:43AM by The Anticult.
Scam!
The first part of the bogus cryonics "contract" says that everything is your fault, even though you are dead, and it was their fault! That no matter what happens, that the cryonics company is NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHNG, EVER!
Next comes the most important part. PAYMENT.
You pay them $35,000 in advance, and/or secure it, and give them all the papers.
They can jack-up the price anytime they feel like it.
You payments are NOT segregated, they go into general revenue for the company!
And they owe you no fiduciary responsibility. Which means again, they can do anything they want, or nothing.
They can cut pieces of your body off! Read the contract.
They BURY in the contract that you are granting them POWER OF ATTORNEY in clause (d). What an outrage!
It tries to ban an autopsy!
If any of these 100 things are not done they way they want, the CRYONICS CONTRACT is canceled on their whim.
They can bury or burn your corpse, AT YOUR OWN COST.
No guarantees of anything.
No promise that the cryonics contract is even legal.
You release the cryonics company from everything.
You let them sue you and your heirs, and you have to pay their costs, to sue you.
You can just go on and on for pages.
Its true, to a professional, the cryonics "contract" does read like a SATIRE of a crooked scam contract.
A person would have to be nuts to sign a "contract" like that.
Its a 100% one-sided scam contract. The cryonics company holds 100% of everything.
Actually they hold 100% of everything, and 100% of you as you are agreeing to pay their costs.
So they actually own 200% of everything.
Its a scam, a sham, all about extracting $35,000 for the base-rate to start, and then upselling to the other bogus cryonics services, moving into the $120,000 plans, and handing over entire Estates, and all the other cryonics scams they are trying to run.
Its the great cryonics swindle.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/18/2010 07:43AM by The Anticult.
CRYONICS and sex tourism, Human trafficking in the Philippines
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: September 19, 2010 02:31AM
The UK cryonics factsheet is being updated. [www.cryonicsfactsheet.co.uk]
One of the other cryonics website links from the recent thread that was was run by another major player in the cryonics movement, has now been REMOVED from the internet, since they were exposed.
The website, even from a very quick glance, was obviously selling sex tourism in the Philippines, and defacto prostitution overseas, with weekly rates. There is a terrible problem with human trafficking in the Philippines. [en.wikipedia.org] "There are an estimated 800,000 women working as prostitutes in the Philippines, with up to half of them believed to be underage".
Why would a major player "grandpa" in a "cryonics" company also be hosting/linking/promoting those kinds of overseas sex-prostitution tourism websites? Personal or profits, or both?
Why would that cryonics "grandpa" be asking a much younger cryonics woman in dire-straights if she "needed money" and bragging he is a millionaire? Don't have to be a rocket sicentist to see where that was going.
As soon as that information was exposed, all those websites were taken down.
Again, the people in cryonics who were running those websites had them IMMEDIATELY TAKEN DOWN, as soon as they were exposed.
That cryonics person is a close associate of the biggest names in cryonics, and is heavily promoted on their websites.
Why such outrageous corruption in cryonics?
Because the business of cryonics is a corrupt financial swindle.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/19/2010 02:41AM by The Anticult.
One of the other cryonics website links from the recent thread that was was run by another major player in the cryonics movement, has now been REMOVED from the internet, since they were exposed.
The website, even from a very quick glance, was obviously selling sex tourism in the Philippines, and defacto prostitution overseas, with weekly rates. There is a terrible problem with human trafficking in the Philippines. [en.wikipedia.org] "There are an estimated 800,000 women working as prostitutes in the Philippines, with up to half of them believed to be underage".
Why would a major player "grandpa" in a "cryonics" company also be hosting/linking/promoting those kinds of overseas sex-prostitution tourism websites? Personal or profits, or both?
Why would that cryonics "grandpa" be asking a much younger cryonics woman in dire-straights if she "needed money" and bragging he is a millionaire? Don't have to be a rocket sicentist to see where that was going.
As soon as that information was exposed, all those websites were taken down.
Again, the people in cryonics who were running those websites had them IMMEDIATELY TAKEN DOWN, as soon as they were exposed.
That cryonics person is a close associate of the biggest names in cryonics, and is heavily promoted on their websites.
Why such outrageous corruption in cryonics?
Because the business of cryonics is a corrupt financial swindle.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/19/2010 02:41AM by The Anticult.
Re: CRYONICS and sex tourism, cryonics "irrevocable trust"
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: September 19, 2010 03:00AM
Its also very telling that the usual suspects in cryonics who are quick to jump on every new cryonics scandal to try to Spin-Doctor it, are absolutely silent on the internet on this most recent cryonics scandal.
Cryonics is in almost total lockdown now, since its been looked into.
Every cryonics employee is signed to gag-orders, and now many employees are even kept "secret".
Cryonics members can't say anything, or they are threatened with having a "bad suspension" and getting their brain mutilated after death.
Anyone who speaks up is attacked personally, and sent "letters" by guys in suits, websites are shut-down in hours. Media are harassed if they print anything about cryonics they don't like.
Its technically no different than the strategy tried by Scientology to suppress all criticism.
The difference is that cryonics only involves a handful of people at the top, so its easier for them to try to shut everyone down.
The bottom line is if people can be conned into signing a cryonics "irrevocable trust" they are completely screwed, they can't get out of it. Ever. The "beneficiary" is the cryonics company.
Its permanent until legal death.
Never mind the outrageous financial scam of setting up a cryonics "Trust" that they claim a person can reclaim when they are brought back to life in the future! That is obviously an outrageous scam, and it will possibly be shown to be illegal if it catches the attention of the attorney's general in certain states.
___________
irrevocable trust
Definition
"A trust which cannot be changed or canceled once it is set up without the consent of the beneficiary. Contributions cannot be taken out of the trust by the grantor."
Cryonics is in almost total lockdown now, since its been looked into.
Every cryonics employee is signed to gag-orders, and now many employees are even kept "secret".
Cryonics members can't say anything, or they are threatened with having a "bad suspension" and getting their brain mutilated after death.
Anyone who speaks up is attacked personally, and sent "letters" by guys in suits, websites are shut-down in hours. Media are harassed if they print anything about cryonics they don't like.
Its technically no different than the strategy tried by Scientology to suppress all criticism.
The difference is that cryonics only involves a handful of people at the top, so its easier for them to try to shut everyone down.
The bottom line is if people can be conned into signing a cryonics "irrevocable trust" they are completely screwed, they can't get out of it. Ever. The "beneficiary" is the cryonics company.
Its permanent until legal death.
Never mind the outrageous financial scam of setting up a cryonics "Trust" that they claim a person can reclaim when they are brought back to life in the future! That is obviously an outrageous scam, and it will possibly be shown to be illegal if it catches the attention of the attorney's general in certain states.
___________
irrevocable trust
Definition
"A trust which cannot be changed or canceled once it is set up without the consent of the beneficiary. Contributions cannot be taken out of the trust by the grantor."
CRYONICS QUACKERY and shenanigans, http://cryomedical.blogspot.com
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: September 19, 2010 04:06PM
For anyone with an interest in "cryonics" the Melody Maxim site is certainly the best website, with lots of new information.
She doesn't seem to get into dissecting the cryonics financial shenanigans, and just focuses on the alleged "medical" shenanigans and Quackery in cryonics, which are outrageous and brutal.
There is plenty of cryonics crookery around, so people need to specialize.
Cryonics Meets Medicine
[cryomedical.blogspot.com]
The ImmInst Forum cryonics website is frankly useless, as its just a handful of cryonics promoters who have their fingers in the cookie-jar, or their boss or friends have their hands in the cryonics cookie jar. Its PR, sales and propaganda. Critical thinking not allowed.
What is really needed is a sub-website, totally dedicated to carefully analyzing the so-called "cryonics contracts" and alleged cryonics financial instruments. That is where the rubber hits the road. To have a trained legal mind analyze those cryonics contracts would be very useful.
She doesn't seem to get into dissecting the cryonics financial shenanigans, and just focuses on the alleged "medical" shenanigans and Quackery in cryonics, which are outrageous and brutal.
There is plenty of cryonics crookery around, so people need to specialize.
Cryonics Meets Medicine
[cryomedical.blogspot.com]
The ImmInst Forum cryonics website is frankly useless, as its just a handful of cryonics promoters who have their fingers in the cookie-jar, or their boss or friends have their hands in the cryonics cookie jar. Its PR, sales and propaganda. Critical thinking not allowed.
What is really needed is a sub-website, totally dedicated to carefully analyzing the so-called "cryonics contracts" and alleged cryonics financial instruments. That is where the rubber hits the road. To have a trained legal mind analyze those cryonics contracts would be very useful.
Ben Best, cryonics, where is the PROOF Ben Best is a pharmacist?
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: September 20, 2010 03:50AM
Ben Best needs to be deeply researched and investigated.
First off, what is is real name?
Is "Ben Best" one of those fake Extropian names like Max More and Mark Plus, or is that his birth name?
Ben Best claims to have been involved in EST [www.culteducation.com] which is the Werner Erhard extremely damaging LGAT seminar system, which is now Landmark.
QUOTE Ben Best: "I lived in a co-operative house with about 25 people and I aggressively participated in the Human Potential Movement, particularly Cold Mountain Institute (the Esalen of Canada) and EST."
"Ben Best" claims he was/is a "pharmacist". [www.cryonicsfactsheet.co.uk]
Is that true, or is it fiction?
To be a pharmacist, you have to be LICENSED.
Which jurisdiction was Ben Best supposedly licensed in as a pharmacist?
Where exactly did Ben Best supposedly work as a pharmacist?
On the self-created Wikipedia page, he says Best Best [en.wikipedia.org] "He holds undergraduate degrees in pharmacy from the University of British Columbia"
On a recent previous version of Wikipedia he [www.kosmix.com] says he has "He holds undergraduate degrees in pharmacy from the University of Louisiana at Monroe".
Which is it, or none?
Is someone lying about their alleged degrees?
Its time to contact those universities, where the degrees are claimed and to check them out.
Those alleged "degrees" should be immediately deleted from the Ben Best Wikipedia page, until they are PROVEN with actual references. [en.wikipedia.org] Anyone can delete them from wikipedia, as there are no references.
Where is the proof of any of the claims he is making?
Here you have someone who is the President and CEO of the Cryonics Institute, making all of these claims?
Where is the proof of anything? This needs to be investigated.
A person can't act in that capacity, until all of their alleged references are proven.
Something is terribly wrong with this picture.
___________________________
[www.bls.gov]
"Licensure. A license to practice pharmacy is required in all States and the District of Columbia, as well as in Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. To obtain a license, a prospective pharmacist generally must obtain a Pharm.D. degree from a college of pharmacy that has been approved by the Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education. .... All jurisdictions also require a specified number of hours of experience in a practice setting before a license is awarded."
First off, what is is real name?
Is "Ben Best" one of those fake Extropian names like Max More and Mark Plus, or is that his birth name?
Ben Best claims to have been involved in EST [www.culteducation.com] which is the Werner Erhard extremely damaging LGAT seminar system, which is now Landmark.
QUOTE Ben Best: "I lived in a co-operative house with about 25 people and I aggressively participated in the Human Potential Movement, particularly Cold Mountain Institute (the Esalen of Canada) and EST."
"Ben Best" claims he was/is a "pharmacist". [www.cryonicsfactsheet.co.uk]
Is that true, or is it fiction?
To be a pharmacist, you have to be LICENSED.
Which jurisdiction was Ben Best supposedly licensed in as a pharmacist?
Where exactly did Ben Best supposedly work as a pharmacist?
On the self-created Wikipedia page, he says Best Best [en.wikipedia.org] "He holds undergraduate degrees in pharmacy from the University of British Columbia"
On a recent previous version of Wikipedia he [www.kosmix.com] says he has "He holds undergraduate degrees in pharmacy from the University of Louisiana at Monroe".
Which is it, or none?
Is someone lying about their alleged degrees?
Its time to contact those universities, where the degrees are claimed and to check them out.
Those alleged "degrees" should be immediately deleted from the Ben Best Wikipedia page, until they are PROVEN with actual references. [en.wikipedia.org] Anyone can delete them from wikipedia, as there are no references.
Where is the proof of any of the claims he is making?
Here you have someone who is the President and CEO of the Cryonics Institute, making all of these claims?
Where is the proof of anything? This needs to be investigated.
A person can't act in that capacity, until all of their alleged references are proven.
Something is terribly wrong with this picture.
___________________________
[www.bls.gov]
"Licensure. A license to practice pharmacy is required in all States and the District of Columbia, as well as in Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. To obtain a license, a prospective pharmacist generally must obtain a Pharm.D. degree from a college of pharmacy that has been approved by the Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education. .... All jurisdictions also require a specified number of hours of experience in a practice setting before a license is awarded."
Re: Ben Best, cryonics, where is the PROOF Ben Best is a pharmacist?
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: September 20, 2010 04:28AM
Some links come up using the full name of
"Benjamin P Best"
but nothing relating to any university.
So what is the full name used for each alleged university degree?
It would be easy to check with the universities and the alumni for each claim being made.
A phone call to these universities, about how this this President-CEO of a cryonics company is claiming to have degrees from their university. Its interesting that both those universities are in the same province British Columbia that cryonics is prohibited by law.
This needs to be systematically checked out.
Ben Best claims:
"Ben Best ....He holds undergraduate degrees in pharmacy from the University of British Columbia,
and physics and computing science (BSc), and finance (BBA) from Simon Fraser University in British Columbia, Canada.
Here is the link to those universities, which can be contacted, to have those claims of degrees validated or not.
The link has a direct phone number to the Dean's Office for UBS Pharmacy.
[www.pharmacy.ubc.ca]
UBC Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences #2146 East Mall, Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Z3
Telephone (Dean’s Office): (see link at bottom of page) [www.pharmacy.ubc.ca]
The University of British Columbia [www.ubc.ca]
Simon Fraser University [www.sfu.ca]
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www.cryocdn.org · Cryonics Society of Canada Home Page
[www.whoisbucket.com]
Domain Name:CRYOCDN.ORG
Created On:10-Jun-2001 16:33:57 UTC
Last Updated On:24-May-2010 19:16:14 UTC
Expiration Date:10-Jun-2015 16:33:57 UTC
Registrant ID:30483707-NSI
Registrant Name:Benjamin Best
Registrant Organization:Best, Benjamin
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/20/2010 04:30AM by The Anticult.
"Benjamin P Best"
but nothing relating to any university.
So what is the full name used for each alleged university degree?
It would be easy to check with the universities and the alumni for each claim being made.
A phone call to these universities, about how this this President-CEO of a cryonics company is claiming to have degrees from their university. Its interesting that both those universities are in the same province British Columbia that cryonics is prohibited by law.
This needs to be systematically checked out.
Ben Best claims:
"Ben Best ....He holds undergraduate degrees in pharmacy from the University of British Columbia,
and physics and computing science (BSc), and finance (BBA) from Simon Fraser University in British Columbia, Canada.
Here is the link to those universities, which can be contacted, to have those claims of degrees validated or not.
The link has a direct phone number to the Dean's Office for UBS Pharmacy.
[www.pharmacy.ubc.ca]
UBC Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences #2146 East Mall, Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Z3
Telephone (Dean’s Office): (see link at bottom of page) [www.pharmacy.ubc.ca]
The University of British Columbia [www.ubc.ca]
Simon Fraser University [www.sfu.ca]
____________
www.cryocdn.org · Cryonics Society of Canada Home Page
[www.whoisbucket.com]
Domain Name:CRYOCDN.ORG
Created On:10-Jun-2001 16:33:57 UTC
Last Updated On:24-May-2010 19:16:14 UTC
Expiration Date:10-Jun-2015 16:33:57 UTC
Registrant ID:30483707-NSI
Registrant Name:Benjamin Best
Registrant Organization:Best, Benjamin
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/20/2010 04:30AM by The Anticult.
Re: Ben Best, cryonics, where is the PROOF Ben Best is a pharmacist?
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: September 20, 2010 04:47AM
To research the Ben Best claims of a degree in Pharmacy from UBC below.
Where is the proof that Ben Best ever was or is a "Pharmacist" like the claims being made? Where is the evidence?
To claim you are a medical professional when you are not, is usually illegal, and can be reported.
Find A Pharmacy or Pharmacist [eservices.bcpharmacists.org]
Search Results
No results found
Contact Directory
UBC Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences [www.pharmacy.ubc.ca]
[www.bcpharmacists.org]
"The College of Pharmacists of BC is the regulatory body for pharmacy in British Columbia and is responsible for registering pharmacists and pharmacy technicians and licensing pharmacies throughout the province. The College’s mandate is to protect the public by ensuring pharmacists and pharmacy technicians provide safe and effective care to help people achieve better health."
Registered Pharmacists Directory [eservices.bcpharmacists.org]
Where is the proof that Ben Best ever was or is a "Pharmacist" like the claims being made? Where is the evidence?
To claim you are a medical professional when you are not, is usually illegal, and can be reported.
Find A Pharmacy or Pharmacist [eservices.bcpharmacists.org]
Search Results
No results found
Contact Directory
UBC Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences [www.pharmacy.ubc.ca]
[www.bcpharmacists.org]
"The College of Pharmacists of BC is the regulatory body for pharmacy in British Columbia and is responsible for registering pharmacists and pharmacy technicians and licensing pharmacies throughout the province. The College’s mandate is to protect the public by ensuring pharmacists and pharmacy technicians provide safe and effective care to help people achieve better health."
Registered Pharmacists Directory [eservices.bcpharmacists.org]
Re: Ben Best, cryonics, where is the PROOF Ben Best is a pharmacist?
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: September 20, 2010 04:51AM
How to Submit a Complaint
To submit a complaint, please contact:
Complaints Resolution
College of Pharmacists of BC
[www.bcpharmacists.org]
To submit a complaint, please contact:
Complaints Resolution
College of Pharmacists of BC
[www.bcpharmacists.org]
Re: Ben Best, cryonics, where is the PROOF Ben Best is a pharmacist?
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: September 20, 2010 04:59AM
[www.cicic.ca]
"The profession of pharmacist is regulated in Canada. This means that it is illegal to practise the profession or use the title of pharmacist without being licensed as a full member in a provincial or territorial regulatory body."
"The profession of pharmacist is regulated in Canada. This means that it is illegal to practise the profession or use the title of pharmacist without being licensed as a full member in a provincial or territorial regulatory body."
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